Comments on: of mice and math http://www.iamfauxpas.com/2008/03/of-mice-and-math/ parts of sound arrange into musakedelica, established 2005 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:42:30 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Nina-Marie http://www.iamfauxpas.com/2008/03/of-mice-and-math/comment-page-1/#comment-22854 Nina-Marie Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:44:01 +0000 http://www.iamfauxpas.com/blog/index.php/2008/03/17/of-mice-and-math/#comment-22854 As a fan, of anybody's music, my thoughts are about getting whatever music I can get and any bits of info about it's creation because I love the sound. If I can get an insight into the process, not the boring bits, but insightful stories of inspired moments that influence a direction, surprise the artist, and creates a great tune, that interests me (broken mouse 'n' all). If an EP or CD or boxed set, whatever is on offer, is value added by remixes, notes, interviews, photo's maybe, electronic access to other bits of music and news, it creates a world where this sound comes from, and I love that. It deepens the enjoyment of the music for me. I will pay extra for that. I know many people don't like that kind of input, because they want what they like about the sound to become more personal, about there own experience with the tunes, you know interpret it for their own world (a soundtrack to their lives), and they want the artist's experience to be a mystery. But I do like to fuse with all that comes from the music, not necessarily the artist (that is creepy) but the creative spark. So I can easily be one of the hardcore 100 fans as long as what's on offer is worth it (to me). Do I need an analysis of what the money is for? No. I'm a fan because of the value I place on what the artist's output MEANS to ME. Record companies have been ripping off fans AND artists for years knowing this. I do not mind that the record company is cut out of the equation and whatever money being made goes directly to the artist, because I'M A FAN. It's what that ARTIST does that inspires me to part with my cash in the first place. Maybe if you're not paying for record company overheads the price can be lowered, but unfortunately people (maybe of an older generation) undervalue underpriced things. No point undercutting yourself. Consider the genre of music and audience reach of NIN and then consider the same for your average underground indie artist. You can't compare the two in financial terms. You need to value your own work first. If what you've produced gets a great response, obviously it's also valued by others. Do not feel guilty about this. If you give people pleasure with your own pleasurable pursuits, it's a priviledge, to be sure, but it's fleeting. Let go of angst. Enjoy it while you can. As a fan, of anybody’s music, my thoughts are about getting whatever music I can get and any bits of info about it’s creation because I love the sound.

If I can get an insight into the process, not the boring bits, but insightful stories of inspired moments that influence a direction, surprise the artist, and creates a great tune, that interests me (broken mouse ‘n’ all).

If an EP or CD or boxed set, whatever is on offer, is value added by remixes, notes, interviews, photo’s maybe, electronic access to other bits of music and news, it creates a world where this sound comes from, and I love that. It deepens the enjoyment of the music for me. I will pay extra for that.

I know many people don’t like that kind of input, because they want what they like about the sound to become more personal, about there own experience with the tunes, you know interpret it for their own world (a soundtrack to their lives), and they want the artist’s experience to be a mystery. But I do like to fuse with all that comes from the music, not necessarily the artist (that is creepy) but the creative spark.

So I can easily be one of the hardcore 100 fans as long as what’s on offer is worth it (to me).

Do I need an analysis of what the money is for? No. I’m a fan because of the value I place on what the artist’s output MEANS to ME.

Record companies have been ripping off fans AND artists for years knowing this. I do not mind that the record company is cut out of the equation and whatever money being made goes directly to the artist, because I’M A FAN. It’s what that ARTIST does that inspires me to part with my cash in the first place.

Maybe if you’re not paying for record company overheads the price can be lowered, but unfortunately people (maybe of an older generation) undervalue underpriced things. No point undercutting yourself.

Consider the genre of music and audience reach of NIN and then consider the same for your average underground indie artist. You can’t compare the two in financial terms. You need to value your own work first. If what you’ve produced gets a great response, obviously it’s also valued by others.

Do not feel guilty about this. If you give people pleasure with your own pleasurable pursuits, it’s a priviledge, to be sure, but it’s fleeting. Let go of angst. Enjoy it while you can.

]]> By: hanna http://www.iamfauxpas.com/2008/03/of-mice-and-math/comment-page-1/#comment-22586 hanna Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:22:54 +0000 http://www.iamfauxpas.com/blog/index.php/2008/03/17/of-mice-and-math/#comment-22586 you know, artistshare seems really unnatural and weird at first, but when i thought about it a bit, isn't it really just like going back to the old system of patronage? maybe we'll see a rise of musicians creating commissioned music for a living? like say, a fan could have one of their favorite band record a song for a friend's birthday? it all seems a bit icky, but thinking about the fact that there's actually some history behind this way of doing it makes me feel a bit better. and i agree that transparancy is probably the key. people might be more keen to pay if they actually know what they are buying. which i think is a problem with the cd these days, you don't really know what you're buying, since you (read: most people) already have the tunes safely tucked away on your drive... are you buying the artwork? the continued music creation of that particular artist? less guilt? it's all very interesting. i sort of can't wait to see what's going to happen. something has to, that's for sure. you know, artistshare seems really unnatural and weird at first, but when i thought about it a bit, isn’t it really just like going back to the old system of patronage? maybe we’ll see a rise of musicians creating commissioned music for a living? like say, a fan could have one of their favorite band record a song for a friend’s birthday? it all seems a bit icky, but thinking about the fact that there’s actually some history behind this way of doing it makes me feel a bit better.

and i agree that transparancy is probably the key. people might be more keen to pay if they actually know what they are buying. which i think is a problem with the cd these days, you don’t really know what you’re buying, since you (read: most people) already have the tunes safely tucked away on your drive… are you buying the artwork? the continued music creation of that particular artist? less guilt?

it’s all very interesting. i sort of can’t wait to see what’s going to happen. something has to, that’s for sure.

]]> By: Pablo http://www.iamfauxpas.com/2008/03/of-mice-and-math/comment-page-1/#comment-22560 Pablo Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:25:56 +0000 http://www.iamfauxpas.com/blog/index.php/2008/03/17/of-mice-and-math/#comment-22560 Interesting post, Tim. But how would you market such a tier system? Interesting post, Tim. But how would you market such a tier system?

]]> By: Alina http://www.iamfauxpas.com/2008/03/of-mice-and-math/comment-page-1/#comment-22507 Alina Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:56:23 +0000 http://www.iamfauxpas.com/blog/index.php/2008/03/17/of-mice-and-math/#comment-22507 I like the idea and increasing honesty in the pricing system. I think people would be more likely to buy (independant) music if they knew exactly what they were paying for (and in reality that they weren't paying that much). I think you could add a tier though between premium and production - for people who don't want to buy the premium but do want to contribute to the continued success of the artist. But that artist share thing is slightly creepy ("here, take my privacy for $5000"). I like the idea and increasing honesty in the pricing system. I think people would be more likely to buy (independant) music if they knew exactly what they were paying for (and in reality that they weren’t paying that much). I think you could add a tier though between premium and production – for people who don’t want to buy the premium but do want to contribute to the continued success of the artist.

But that artist share thing is slightly creepy (“here, take my privacy for $5000″).

]]> By: Tim http://www.iamfauxpas.com/2008/03/of-mice-and-math/comment-page-1/#comment-22329 Tim Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:59:49 +0000 http://www.iamfauxpas.com/blog/index.php/2008/03/17/of-mice-and-math/#comment-22329 here is what you get from <a href="http://www.artistshare.com/projects/project_experience.aspx?projectID=158&artistID=96" rel="nofollow">kate schutt</a> if you become one of two gold participants in her next album on artistshare (for $5,000): <blockquote>As it happens, I will share the making of my second studio album, “The Telephone Game,” with you and passionate others. I will be grateful for the company. I will keep you up to date with regular journal entries and short videos. This fall and throughout the winter, I will share the songwriting process from the first lyric to the final arrangement. Then, come spring, I will share the recording process from the first live takes at the studio to the final days of mixing, mastering, and manufacturing. But I want you to have it all: free access to my concerts for a year, with preferred seating, a meet and greet after a concert, and a box set of CDs that I put together for you after we have a phone conversation about the kinds of music you know and love and the kinds of music you are curious about and maybe shy of. I will record and dedicate one of my songs in a special single edition for you. Playing this song and others, I will record a closed concert for you direct either from the studio, or in one of the clubs on my tour. This will be a one-of-a-kind video just for you. Perhaps my most dear gift will be a page from my songwriting notebooks or music journals.</blockquote> i can imagine it being really fulfilling for someone who would enjoy opening up their creative process to an interested party. but yeah it is kind of creepy. <a href="http://journal.davidbyrne.com/2008/02/02122008-addend.html" rel="nofollow">david byrne</a> talks about artistshare on his blog (i found it via <a href="http://fortunegrey.com/2008/03/11/lets-cut-a-record" rel="nofollow">fortune grey</a>) - he discusses it as the 7th of 7 new business models that he's proposed for independent artists. makes for more great reading. learnin is mighty good fun here is what you get from kate schutt if you become one of two gold participants in her next album on artistshare (for $5,000):

As it happens, I will share the making of my second studio album, “The Telephone Game,” with you and passionate others. I will be grateful for the company.

I will keep you up to date with regular journal entries and short videos. This fall and throughout the winter, I will share the songwriting process from the first lyric to the final arrangement. Then, come spring, I will share the recording process from the first live takes at the studio to the final days of mixing, mastering, and manufacturing.

But I want you to have it all: free access to my concerts for a year, with preferred seating, a meet and greet after a concert, and a box set of CDs that I put together for you after we have a phone conversation about the kinds of music you know and love and the kinds of music you are curious about and maybe shy of.

I will record and dedicate one of my songs in a special single edition for you. Playing this song and others, I will record a closed concert for you direct either from the studio, or in one of the clubs on my tour. This will be a one-of-a-kind video just for you.

Perhaps my most dear gift will be a page from my songwriting notebooks or music journals.

i can imagine it being really fulfilling for someone who would enjoy opening up their creative process to an interested party. but yeah it is kind of creepy.

david byrne talks about artistshare on his blog (i found it via fortune grey) – he discusses it as the 7th of 7 new business models that he’s proposed for independent artists. makes for more great reading. learnin is mighty good fun

]]> By: Dave http://www.iamfauxpas.com/2008/03/of-mice-and-math/comment-page-1/#comment-22327 Dave Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:55:11 +0000 http://www.iamfauxpas.com/blog/index.php/2008/03/17/of-mice-and-math/#comment-22327 's possible. here's a vaguely similar model which wins Grammys! http://www.artistshare.com/home/default.aspx tiered pricing right up to the Executive Producer level - one person can pay $18k and get to go to a recording session, get a name on her cd - even get a walk in the park with her! kinda creepy and intrusive but also a little logical. ’s possible.

here’s a vaguely similar model which wins Grammys!

http://www.artistshare.com/home/default.aspx

tiered pricing right up to the Executive Producer level – one person can pay $18k and get to go to a recording session, get a name on her cd – even get a walk in the park with her! kinda creepy and intrusive but also a little logical.

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